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[02:50:56] <Epsylon3> The Milestone have a bma150 sensor ?
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[10:43:08] <[mbm]> hmm.
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[13:44:49] <k1l> what about this carrier iq thing?
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[14:00:49] <Epsylon3> Quarx: hmm sorry, i amended again ;p
[14:02:21] <Epsylon3> damn, and will again ^^
[14:04:17] <k1l> did moto include the carrier IQ thing in their motorola stuff on the milestone back then?
[14:06:38] <Quarx> Epsylon3: no porblem:)
[14:07:02] <Quarx> i'm works with it now too :)
[14:08:14] <Epsylon3> but i think there is a similar code elsewhere
[14:08:33] <Epsylon3> https://github.com/tpruvot/android_frameworks_base/commit/1861786a97209ed75010a54cca5167593dbfec21
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[14:12:21] <Epsylon3> I/DEBUG ( 3118): #00 pc 0000dca4 /system/lib/libc.so (memcpy)
[14:12:21] <Epsylon3> I/DEBUG ( 3118): #01 lr 50d080b8 /system/lib/egl/libGLESv2_POWERVR_SGX530_125.so
[14:12:40] <Epsylon3> its the segfault we have in launcher, randomly
[14:12:54] <Epsylon3> F/libc ( 3119): Fatal signal 11 (SIGSEGV) at 0x00436cbc (code=1)
[14:13:53] <Quarx> yep
[14:14:23] <Quarx> it because gpu libs doesn't loading...
[14:15:02] <Quarx> we need fix boot android without "0 0 android"
[14:15:33] <Epsylon3> the crash is in /system/lib/egl/libGLESv2_POWERVR_SGX530_125.so
[14:16:19] <Quarx> yea.. framebuffer not initialised for now.
[14:16:42] <Quarx> GraphicBufferAlloc::createGraphicBuffer(w=854, h=480) failed (Invalid argument), handle=0x0
[14:16:52] <Quarx> GraphicBufferAllocator(2118): alloc(854, 480, 3, 00000300, ...) failed -22 (Invalid argument)
[14:19:43] <Epsylon3> yea, the problem is not in this code
[14:20:03] <Quarx> gralloc.omap3.so is problem
[14:21:32] <Epsylon3> libs / rs
[14:21:37] <Epsylon3> renderscript
[14:33:20] <Quarx> hm.. yea gralloc.so loaded without problems
[14:36:29] <Quarx> diffrent flags..
[14:37:27] <Quarx> yea
[14:37:33] <Quarx> flags is diffrent
[14:39:32] <Quarx> Epsylon3: http://epsy.ath.cx:888/paste/?111 look at flags.
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[14:40:17] <Quarx> flags: 00110000 is correct,, we has flags = 00010000
[14:47:02] <Epsylon3> hmm
[14:47:07] <Epsylon3> ive seen that somewhere :p
[14:47:10] <Epsylon3> damn
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[14:49:28] <Epsylon3> oh yea, PARTIAL_UPDATES
[14:49:39] <Epsylon3> DisplayHardware/DisplayHardware.h
[14:50:16] <Epsylon3> there is not this 0010.0000 constant in .h
[14:50:59] <Epsylon3> COPY_BITS_EXTENSION = 0x00000008,
[14:51:01] <Epsylon3> BUFFER_PRESERVED = 0x00010000,
[14:51:03] <Epsylon3> PARTIAL_UPDATES = 0x00020000, // video driver feature
[14:51:05] <Epsylon3> SLOW_CONFIG = 0x00040000, // software
[14:51:07] <Epsylon3> SWAP_RECTANGLE = 0x00080000,
[14:51:10] <Quarx> i see.. hm
[14:51:37] <Epsylon3> maybe removed from this file because, not used...
[14:52:28] <Quarx> froyo : http://omapzoom.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=blob;f=libs/surfaceflinger/DisplayHardware/DisplayHardware.h;h=df046af95aa7b3e2a84b241886ffec2da83e2ba9;hb=froyo
[14:53:08] <Epsylon3> yea, CACHED_BUFFERS
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[14:53:18] <Epsylon3> i think this feature have changed
[15:02:40] <Quarx> crash in libc is so bad =\
[15:03:27] <Epsylon3> The alpha gradients are buggy
[15:03:36] <Epsylon3> i dont had the problem first
[15:03:45] <Quarx> i can try libs from Optimus Black
[15:03:51] <Quarx> libGLESv2_POWERVR_SGX530_125.so.
[15:03:58] <Quarx> libGLESv1_CM_POWERVR_SGX530_125.so.
[15:04:39] <Epsylon3> no
[15:04:47] <Epsylon3> they are linked by address
[15:05:41] <Epsylon3> the Table stuff
[15:05:55] <Epsylon3> in pvr lib
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[15:09:52] <Epsylon3> static final int EGL_SURFACE_TYPE = 0x3033;
[15:10:03] <Epsylon3> its not ours
[15:10:17] <Epsylon3> core/java/android/view/HardwareRenderer.java
[15:11:07] <Epsylon3> our config is 0x7
[15:11:16] <Epsylon3> hmm
[15:11:24] <Epsylon3> i will dump the 30 configs
[15:29:19] <Epsylon3> hmm ok
[15:29:23] <Epsylon3> EGL_SURFACE_TYPE is the "key"
[15:29:28] <Epsylon3> not the value
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[15:32:07] <Quarx> Epsylon3: http://quarx.r-o-o-t.net/ApiDemos.apk
[15:32:24] <Quarx> to test OpenGL and many other features
[15:34:57] <Epsylon3> i dont see the app
[15:35:34] <Quarx> adb push ApiDemos.apk /system/app
[15:36:26] <Epsylon3> yea :)
[15:36:31] <Epsylon3> made in /data/app/
[15:36:33] <Epsylon3> works too
[15:36:46] <Quarx> all OpenGL ES test are fails
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[18:06:55] <k1l> (next attempt :) ) so what is about this carrier iq thing? the cm7 on milestone doesnt have that, does the original moto rom?
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[18:22:41] <Epsylon3> Quarx: im still trying to fix the orientation
[18:23:10] <Epsylon3> ive the events in libsensors, all i need is a native command to set orientation...
[18:23:24] <Epsylon3> all the things ive found are in Java, not in cpp
[18:30:21] <Epsylon3> windowService.setOrientation(1);
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[18:37:11] <Epsylon3> damn :p
[18:37:17] <Epsylon3> "reboot" in wrong shell
[18:37:37] <Epsylon3> i really need to add a shell script wrapper with a question ^^
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[19:26:27] <Skrilax_CZ> Epsylon3: fortunately for me, reboot in cygwin doesn't work :P
[19:27:35] <Epsylon3> ^^
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[19:36:35] <Epsylon3> lol, there are videos from every country ^^
[19:36:42] <Epsylon3> (defy ics)
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[21:27:45] <nadlabak> k1l: as far as I know, there's no Carrier IQ in Moto firmware
[21:28:52] <k1l> nadlabak: a thanks. i just found many htc complains but motorola was mentioned in serveral articles but without devices
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[21:30:42] <Epsylon3> what is that IQ ?
[21:30:54] <Epsylon3> intelligence quotient ?
[21:30:55] <Epsylon3> :p
[21:30:59] <k1l> carrier IQ
[21:31:20] <Epsylon3> yea ive seen your first question but never heard about that
[21:31:22] <k1l> some keylogger, everything logger thingy in the firmwarespart in android
[21:31:33] <Epsylon3> oh Swipe :)
[21:31:34] <Epsylon3> ^^
[21:31:52] <Epsylon3> the only keyboard which require a login to be installed
[21:32:06] <nadlabak> k1l: I'm not entirely sure about the possibilities if and how the tcmd daemon could be used for some remote data mining...
[21:32:38] <k1l> http://androidsecuritytest.com/features/logs-and-services/loggers/carrieriq/carrieriq-part2/
[21:32:57] <nadlabak> in any case, tcmd is not running on CM7
[21:33:19] <k1l> after his first claim carrier iq faild a lawsuit but when the EFF came in the took it back
[21:33:31] <TheSpiritof69> It's usually only found in branded ROMs
[21:33:47] <TheSpiritof69> Afaik AOSP and most Custom ROMs should be clean
[21:34:15] <k1l> its not in clear android, since the nexus ones dont have it.
[21:34:31] <TheSpiritof69> After all it's worth mentioning that it's not clear what data is gathered in the end
[21:35:05] <TheSpiritof69> It may as well be anonymised usage statistics or whatever..
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[21:36:28] <nadlabak> no custom ROM is entirely clean, as there is no way to run without some proprietary binaries in use
[21:37:21] <k1l> yep. that was my question if moto has smth like that in the prop. moto stuff.
[21:37:35] <TheSpiritof69> The way I understood it, CIQ doesnt come from the producer but from the provider
[21:37:40] <TheSpiritof69> hence Carrier IQ
[21:39:19] <k1l> i think this is not legally possible in germany. as in the video he shows, that there is no warning/signal/licence which informs about the logging
[21:39:43] <k1l> im not sure for the USA since they got some freaky laws over there
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[22:02:52] <cafk> its all just a part to keep the customer secure and happy, thus it's allowed in the us : )
[22:03:51] <cafk> just like SOAP is about keeping people happy and secure in the internet... and why eu skipped that law, just like acta : )
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[22:14:38] <k1l> yep
[22:39:34] <cafk> oh, and i think the dude who made the CIQ videos had a small thought mistake... if you ask the browser where you are going then it is not encrypted, the packages sent over the network are encrypted? but i think this is the wrong place to tell this : D
[22:42:18] <TheSpiritof69> Initial request or what do you mean?
[22:42:28] <TheSpiritof69> That, of course, has to be unencrypted
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[22:53:44] <cafk> well i mean more like, asking the browser, hey where are you going? just like it saves visited pages etc
[22:53:56] <cafk> he just showed that the link showed up in the logfiles
[22:54:12] <cafk> not that the transfered package content was read
[22:55:43] <TheSpiritof69> I see
[22:55:45] <TheSpiritof69> Yeah
[22:56:39] <TheSpiritof69> Again, I did not see pointed out what data is gathered and what data is actually transfered and of course not what the provider actually does with the gathered data..
[22:58:04] <TheSpiritof69> I mean, it's a matter of trust..
[22:58:14] <TheSpiritof69> If we sync with Google, we trust Google with our data
[22:58:30] <TheSpiritof69> If we flash CM4MM we trust that nadlabak doesn't gather a pile of CC information :P
[22:59:33] <TheSpiritof69> And what the actual fuck? Why should a provider gather SMS or whatever information from the phone when it's eventually routed through its network anyways
[23:00:37] <TheSpiritof69> Honestly, for me this is just another case of "OMG our provider handles the data we send/receive on our phones, fucking evil NWO conspiration"
[23:02:14] <k1l> not like they get the data anyways because they get through their network :X
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[23:03:52] <cafk> ... this explains how nadlabak managed to buy the ferrari of his dreams : P
[23:04:50] <TheSpiritof69> CURSE YOU FREENODE
[23:05:03] <TheSpiritof69> Just lag for 120s for no reason.
[23:05:25] <TheSpiritof69> Anyways
[23:05:53] <TheSpiritof69> I think every report about trojans/rootkits/malicious apps on Android was and is vastly exaggerated so far
[23:06:09] <cafk> heh : )
[23:07:36] <cafk> its always the gasket between the display and the chair, which causes most problems ; )
[23:08:33] <TheSpiritof69> hehe pebkac :P
[23:08:41] <TheSpiritof69> Yes, indeed
[23:09:12] <TheSpiritof69> I mean it's fine that such things are discovered and brought to public, no questions there
[23:09:28] <TheSpiritof69> But the way they're described...
[23:10:16] <cafk> just read the comments on the video, it's hillarious ; )
[23:10:27] <TheSpiritof69> They shed a light on Android or even OSS in general for people that aren't affiliated to IT/technology as much as we are..
[23:10:45] <TheSpiritof69> The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
[23:10:51] <TheSpiritof69> Apache Server at androidsecuritytest.com Port 80
[23:10:52] <TheSpiritof69> :P
[23:13:09] <cafk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=T17XQI_AYNo <-- direct video link : )
[23:13:50] <cafk> i remember when NSA was accused of adding a packet sniffer in the ipv4 implementation of bsd : D
[23:14:20] <TheSpiritof69> lol
[23:14:42] <cafk> meh, IT isn't enough, about half the people i work with on a daily basis are missing basic understanding of what goes on behind the scenes and how all the things are tied together : /
[23:14:44] <TheSpiritof69> I usually don't even bother reading comments on YT
[23:15:00] <cafk> it's fun from time to time ; )
[23:15:13] <TheSpiritof69> And the first 5 I read on this video...confirm that :P
[23:16:04] <TheSpiritof69> "Based on this video, you should sue every bank, because every ATM´╗┐ is keylogging your PIN! Every keypress on an ATM is passed to software as well, and it probably also has software that monitors if the ATM is still functioning."
[23:16:09] <TheSpiritof69> That one's good :>
[23:16:31] <TheSpiritof69> Yeah most people somehow miss, that a computer's only purpose is to work on data
[23:16:45] <TheSpiritof69> And where will that data come from eventually...
[23:18:38] <cafk> hrhr, on the otherhand almost every page you visit tracks your interests, how you got there, what are you searching for, how long you stay etc : )
[23:19:21] <cafk> marketing is the magical part of life that i just don't understand, probably because i'm not in their intended target audience : /
[23:19:27] <cafk> (idiots)
[23:19:31] <TheSpiritof69> Hehe
[23:20:19] <TheSpiritof69> I just don't understand how some people cannot see that information is a currency nowadays..
[23:21:21] <TheSpiritof69> I mean, it's _really_ obvious
[23:21:32] <cafk> *cough* facebook
[23:21:33] <cafk> : D
[23:21:38] <TheSpiritof69> Not only Facebook
[23:21:42] <TheSpiritof69> Even Google
[23:21:49] <cafk> not only, but it's the prime example... after google
[23:21:51] <TheSpiritof69> I mean they offer _really_ good service
[23:22:01] <cafk> google lives from that, it's their bread and butter ; )
[23:22:13] <TheSpiritof69> Gmail, which supports IMAP, has a buttload of space for every mailbox
[23:22:28] <TheSpiritof69> They're not _that_ humanitarian :P
[23:22:39] <TheSpiritof69> (Yes, I know about "Don't be evil") x)
[23:22:46] <TheSpiritof69> But they have to make money too :D
[23:23:21] <TheSpiritof69> So I "pay" them with some of my information, fair and square
[23:24:22] <TheSpiritof69> The differences or the important point is not _that_ a company gathers data about its customers but how it gathers data and how it afterwards handles that data
[23:25:04] <cafk> ... and from that video we have no proof that any data was actually sent, he should do a network traffic analysis with wireshark or something like that : )
[23:27:10] <TheSpiritof69> Nooo, why? He couldn't write his lurid blog post then :<
[23:28:00] <cafk> and thus no 15 minutes of fame on the intrawebs ._. i understand now
[23:28:14] <TheSpiritof69> Sad but true..
[23:37:09] <cafk> : (