#milestone-modding | Logs for 2011-12-31

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[11:26:08] <mmbummer> :nadlabak any eta on dis ics den? I want it well bad and you being selfish keeping it for yourself
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[11:40:08] <zewelor> lol ?
[11:40:24] <zewelor> u joking or some mental problems ?
[11:41:32] <zewelor> eta is usually when its done, and its done when its done, and as far as i can see nadlabak stil got public repos on github so u can download and compile it ...
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[13:07:55] <KabaLF> zewelor: that's what happens when people post the channel logs on xda
[13:09:15] <k1l> what happend?
[13:10:40] <KabaLF> some jackass demanding nadlabak release the ics build
[13:11:18] <k1l> m(
[13:11:25] <KabaLF> earlier today (check the logs)
[13:12:29] <KabaLF> there were other people here for the past few days asking about the build too, but at least they were asking nice
[13:14:41] <k1l> yep, was wondering about htat. but i dont read forums anymore. too much dumb noobs and trolls around there. i follow the devs homepages and the irc to get my news :/
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[13:17:26] <KabaLF> me too. the problem is when the noobs stumble across dev places and think it's okay to let everyone know about it. instead of, you know, trusting the dev knows their stuff and knows when it's the right time to announce stuff
[13:18:00] <k1l> yep
[13:18:14] <KabaLF> ive posted on xda already asking people to stop doing it, but it went ignored, as you'd expect
[13:21:37] <nadlabak> about ics: wifi refuses to work, that's what I want to fix in the first place
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[13:22:43] <k1l> but just out of curiosity: the cm-team dropped the droid from cm9 due to too little ram and i thought ics will consume more ram, too. and since we are limited on the moto kernel how does this work :)
[13:23:13] <KabaLF> i guess nadlabak will just have to trim some stuff
[13:23:21] <KabaLF> lotta work
[13:23:57] <KabaLF> who knows, maybe cm team will eventually use nadlabak's work to bring cm9 to lesser devices
[13:24:05] <k1l> well yes, i dont think he is a magician :)
[13:24:36] <k1l> some cm9-light maybe :)
[13:25:08] <KabaLF> yep :)
[13:25:13] <KabaLF> but im not too excited about ics on the milestone, tbh
[13:26:09] <k1l> the latest cm7 runs very smooth for me. im really pleased with that.
[13:26:52] <k1l> i was looking to a new device with one eye. but the droid4 still got locked bootloader :(
[13:27:48] <nadlabak> he he, I'm actually quite sceptic about usability of ics on Milestone, but I have to try it :)
[13:27:53] <KabaLF> yep, thats the point. of course i'll check out ics eventually, but it took a long time before GB got to a point where it runs as smooth as froyo, so im not expecting that to be different with ics, *if* it ever happens
[13:28:53] <k1l> i really cant believe that there is no demand for a qwertz/y slider. i mean the g1 and the ms1 had a bis success imho.
[13:31:52] <zewelor> ppl werent buyg m1 only bcoz of locked bootloader as i read commets about it 2 yers ago
[13:31:56] <zewelor> have u seen m4 ?
[13:32:26] <zewelor> http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/google/android/droid-4-spyshots-show-off-the-next-member-of-the-family/
[13:35:17] <k1l> i bought i because the droid had no bootlock :/ but i know there are alot of non-tech-interest users out there. but for me i decided to not buy a locked phone again to be free in the decision of which software i run and dont need to wait for the carrier or manufacturer to come with updates
[13:37:58] <zewelor> but its sometimes like non technical guys wants to buy smth and ask some techincal guy about it and he says well dont buy it bcoz u wont be able to get newer system with new features or some bug fixes that producent doesnt want to fix so non technical can also not buy locked phone
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[13:48:26] <jonjo> when i bought my milestone i had no idea what a bootloader was or anything else. I nearly bought a sgs or desire! regret that now.... but still my MM lives on till SGS 2
[13:48:43] <jonjo> actually gonna wait for SGS3
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[14:10:44] <k1l> and why does the droid4 not ship with ics? o_O
[14:11:52] <k1l> when google will finally buy moto mobile i hope they will show moto how to do some proper software. the hardware is quite nice
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[14:12:21] <nadlabak> interesting, now I see that wifi actually works, despite the errors in logs...
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[14:44:40] <jonjo> :nadlabak interesting, what are the other outstanding issues on it still?
[14:49:41] <nadlabak> jonjo: reversed logic of display orientation vs. keyboard lid open/closed (known from other devices as well)
[14:50:57] <nadlabak> ics launcher asks for ridiculous amounts of ram > fc , known even from 1GB ram devices as well
[14:50:59] <jonjo> :nadlabak are they difficult? wait have you got camera working?! well done if you have
[14:51:56] <jonjo> :nadlabak argh that annoying ics launcher is like my favourite launcher i have used
[14:54:43] <nadlabak> of course, camera is not working, and it won't work anytime soon
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[15:04:20] <Skrilax_CZ> zewelor: don't remember there was such "no" on MS1
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[15:07:11] <Skrilax_CZ> jonjo: what do you think that would be different now should MS bootloader be unlocked?
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[15:09:49] <jonjo> I'm pretty sure the boot loader will never be unlocked
[15:10:52] <Skrilax_CZ> it won't, but I asked you what do you think it would change if it was?
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[15:12:29] <k1l> i think (hope) that with custom kernels there would be better options to trim the system to the hardware
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[15:13:29] <jonjo> Custom kernels, ability to do swap.
[15:15:06] <nadlabak> bootloader locked or unlocked, the proprietary closed source binaries have been always the main trouble when getting non-officially supported versions of OS to work. On any phone.
[15:15:41] <nadlabak> ability to boot custom kernel makes things easier but it's not a holly grail
[15:17:09] <nadlabak> having said that, I'll make sure my next phone will be able to boot the kernel I compile :)
[15:17:52] <k1l> nadlabak: :)
[15:17:56] <Skrilax_CZ> well my point was that the kernel is customized to certain extend, due to its modular structure
[15:20:26] <nadlabak> yes, of course, it's amazing how far we've got since the first customization - the overclock module
[15:23:30] <jonjo> My next phone will definatly have unlocked boot loader
[15:24:19] <Skrilax_CZ> I'm rather going to get a QWERTY phone, even if it should have locked BL
[15:33:38] <jonjo> I would like a QWERTY thing is they normally look crap and are crap.
[15:34:05] <Skrilax_CZ> The ones in EU, yes ._.
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[15:35:14] <nadlabak> ics ram usage in ddms: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/98g_xVDBAi4BfsjubWKSGdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[15:35:39] <nadlabak> apart from the launcher (trebuchet) it's not that bad
[15:36:15] <nadlabak> (no gapps installed)
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[15:38:17] <k1l> is adw still the launcher for cm in 9?
[15:38:33] <nadlabak> no
[15:39:49] <nadlabak> it's the ics official launcher, which is currently being customized, renamed to trebuchet
[15:40:04] <zewelor> so ics phone / tablet needs 2gb of ram ?
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[15:42:23] <jonjo> Have you tried nova launcher? Its meant to be better than trebuchet
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[15:46:18] * nadlabak bbl
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[15:47:43] <jonjo> Trebuchet is not finished is it?
[15:48:48] <nadlabak> lol, it all just started
[15:49:13] <nadlabak> nothing about cm9 is finished, far from it
[15:49:30] <nadlabak> gotta go now, bbl
[15:49:44] <jonjo> yeah I know. Coulnt u try official?
[15:49:56] <k1l> bb nadlabak, thanks and happy new year :)
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[19:12:33] <jonjo> Google should try make more manufacturers use stock UI, all the others are now near as good, its one of thr reasons why people use CM! Android needs some identity
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